Home grown Terrorists

And good morning to you, too, bones.

We will never know how many "sleepers" reside in America.

He raised suspicion regarding his behavior prior to the attack. Why no one questioned or investigated is odd.

Here is an article....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect

The shooting at the detroit mosque would be further evidence this is true.

Hi Bones,I said this before and yes I do believe it will get worse before better??? I also believe anyone that loves GOD will NOT kill another. It seems to me the shooters god is satan.

They why do people state they kill in the name of God. I guess if they use God, it justifies their actions.

I couldn't answer that Janie,I don't know why people do evil things in Gods name. Maybe because they get the two confused???

Right, exactly Msdoodle, and for some - money is their God.

Or they believe their God will forgive anything as long as it is done in his/her name or the ends justify the means.

Well.....Jesus Christ did die for our sins...so we are kinda lucky there, in my opinion.

Well,I surely could be wrong. All those young folks going to war killing people,surely they all wont end up in hell.

The god of Islam is NOT the G-d of the bible..simple..They THINK it is but really its not...Oh man I am gonna get banned for this one

even the god of islam does not support killing.. its not in their teachings..
The RADICALS of any faith be it christian, muslim, etc use the religion as excuse.or justification for their actions. if i kill in the name of god, then its good.

Our faith and our culture is NOT based on Sharia law.Our faith preaches forgiveness...the Koran claims that as a Christian I am an ifidel and could be killed under Sharia if I do not submit.

You are WRONG...The Koran DOES teach Jew and Christian CAN be killed for not submitting or converting to Islam...man dont make me go to google to prove this I dont have time.. ..You need to watch more Glen Beck

I cant stand Glen Beck.. if im wrong. my apology.. my point is people can hide behind whatever justification for taking a life, be it religion, teachings. bad breath..
google on bones..

Bones, have you ever actually read the Qu'ran from cover to cover? It does not "teach" violence. It merely promotes teaching Islam using "whatever methods" may be available at hand, and in the context of such verses, that is meant to be by peaceful means. It is the fanatic few who take such verses solely, and out of context, as you apparently have, who act inappropriately.

The Bible contains more than just a few verses that could be taken out of context, as well. Plenty of blood has been shed by Moslems for not converting to Christianity, or have we forgotten things such as the Crusades?

Religion, of any sort, is what it is. There will always those few who string together a few verses and act on them in an egregious manner.

Excellent points.

I meant to say, "Plenty of Moslem blood has been shed by Christians ..."

Well ya know for us semi evolved naked apes, killing is fun, it is in our blood.
We kill for, love, hate, money, power, sex, for any reason or no reason at all.

Now fun killing is best, is when you KNOW that God is giving YOU, the thumbs up.

The fact that some consider having 72 virgins is a plus, is as confusing as the idea that God is pleased that you are killing his children.

As Twain said: "man is the only animal that blushes, or needs to".

Crusade Smusade...give me an modern example of killing in the name of Christianity
So what you are saying is moderate muslims do not agree with killing non converts..ok Ill give you that ...it is just that in Iran, Saudi, AfGhan, it is NOT the moderates that are in control. Sorry but beg to differ the verses referring to killing Jews or christians are not out of context...it is just verses people pretend do not exist.

It has to be "modern" killing? The Crusades are still "modern" history.

Well, now you are saying something sensible, Bones. It is not the moderates who are advocating killing en masse. Fanatics of any religion often resort to extreme measures. I didn't say that verses referring to killing Jews or Christians were out of context, but that they are taken out of context.

There are fanatics within every religion.
white supremacists
Jewish extremists
Muslim extremists
Black Panthers................whatever.

A lot of hate exists. It's the basis of most every war throughout history....

truely religious, g-d fearing/respectful people don't think or act that way.

Bone;
You're wrong about this and you're inciting hate. This is either your interpretation of the Koran, or an interpretation you wish to accept. Devout muslims do not believe this it is EVER ok to kill.

The Nazi's for one had a basis of Christianity. Does that work for you?

Another fanatic on the loose. Yep, another mass shooting today in Orlando, Florida. Can't wait to hear that one.

Edit: OMG! I just saw what Harley wrote. We actually agreed on something else.

I be in the group of hatin satan..

Beautiful smile and teeth. They must go to the dentist. TG for a good vet. Pets need dentists too providing they are good.

Inciting hate is my last intention...and that is just a low blow comment. Give me this point then...how free would I be to live my christian faith in a Muslim country. How safe would I be? If this is truely a religion of peace then why is it so misinterpreted even by those practicing it..Why then in some Muslim countries is it illegal to have a bible...is that an open accepting faith..non judgmental.

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Bones, this is the comment I'm referring to. I don't consider perpetuating a totally false statement, or one taken out of context...be it a medically slanderous comment or a religious one to be the right thing to do.

I will absolutely agree with you that Muslim counties do not welcome "outsiders" as readily. Using the US as a comparison might not be accurate as we are a nation of many religions, thus assimilating/finding a location of acceptance is easier. I can't imagine a nation of White supremacists would open their arms to me (as a Jew) any easier then say Saudi Arabia.

Regarding laws, and carrying a bible...I can't answer. Laws in these countries are enforced by radicals as well (they don't encourage killing). Take Jordan for example. A younger more liberal leader is changing the country and it's culture.

U.S. Muslims reacted with both anger and fear of backlash after revelations that Hasan is a practicing Muslim. The nation's major Muslim organizations and several mosques condemned the attacks as contrary to Islam.

"The community is in a state of agony," said Muqtedar Khan, director of the Islamic studies program at the University of Delaware and a well-known progressive Muslim intellectual.

Some U.S. mosques stepped up security on Friday, the main prayer day for Muslims.

Yeah, I can see where a lil backlash might be about.

I see around town, here in mobile women and men wearing the Muslim clothing, the first time I saw one of these women garbed like this, close to me.

I flinched, and thought now just how foolish is it to parade around in the costume, of "The Enemy".

Unlikely you'd be strolling around town in 1942 in lederhosen or a kimono.
PC be damned, how wise would I be to stroll around like this in any number of countries.

Ok I concede then...what you are saying is True Islam IS a faith of peace..so be it. There are many moderates that have tried to prove this point but it seems there efforts are stifled by the radicals in their own community.
I guess the point is we will likely never reach common faith ground because we believe Christ is not just a prophet...he is the son of G-d.This puts him above Mohammed and I believe THIS is what would condem us with most practicing muslims and under Sharia would make us Blasphemers and due to be punished.
YOu know what we need...A practicing Muslim on here to set US or Me straight. Anybody out there that truely can comment and not just google or cite opinions as I and the rest have been doing...

Bones, what I've learned about debating religion, is that there is no faster way to make enemies then to make wrong assumptions. It's too emotional of a topic. Don't try to legitimize/rationalize one religion over another. My belief is don't ask, don't tell...Unless you KNOW who you're talking to....Or at the very least try to find positive things to lead into the discussion with...for instance, I admire the way this culture is able to deter crime, blasphamy, adultery, it's devotion to prayer, and charity to the poor/infirmed.

who is this "we" you speak of?
If you are Catholic/Christian yes, he is the son of G-d.

Here's the thing Blake. We are in the US. One thing I learned in my early years was, respect the country you are in and if you visit others, respect them. If you don't like it, here's a ticket. This is the US. Speak ENGLISH for one thing; not only when you want to pretend you don't understand and dollar signs suddenly appear and they can understand that for sure. I'm all for freedom of religion and beliefs. That's part of what we are built on. But here, I still see young people in these "costumes" at US colleges or places of employment. Free education, free this, free that. Hire me because I am a minority. Give us holidays. Americans don't even get some religious holidays off. It would be discrimation. Some get their education and leave.

Oh My...I hope these charactures dont get out to Canadian Council of Muslims...last time this type of stuff was published..ie the Macleans article on radical Isalam..the editors were charged under human rights code in Canada.
I honestly never understood this ruling because the same human rights code said that the Utube video of a local Indian pow wow with monkey sounds in the back ground was NOT charged with hate...so how can genuinely discussing the beliefs of radical Islam or the Controversial interpretations of the Koran be hate unless it is inciting people to act out. John would be our local expert on free speech so maybe he can comment here but this type of discussion that was in the Macleans article sure did not seem like hate or human rights infringement...just good journalism
http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/religion-and-faith/macleans-magazine-human-rights-compliant-muslims

it is complaints like this that have us regretting political correctness.

Well, Harley, He is the Son of God, even if you and others don't believe it.
But - from what I understand, WE are all children of God.
Only our mothers weren't virgins.
No disrespect to your religion, or anyone else's religion, but He is the Son of God.
I'd bet my life on it.
But, thankfully, I don't have to.

Wisher, you just stated your belief to be fact, when in fact it is not.its just your belief. not all religions embrace Jesus as the son, rather a prophet.. Harley is of the jewish faith.. Jesus is a prophet, and they await the son to arrive.. not that Jesus wasnt a stand up guy in the jewish faith, he just isnt viewed as the son.
Muslems also do not believe Jesus to be the son.

From everything I have read and I have heard, He was the Son of God, therefore, it is a FACT to me.
So - I was stating what I believe to be FACT.
It may not be politically correct, but you know what?
When it's Jesus' Birthday, I want to celebrate it as such (yeah, I know it probably wasn't that day, but that's the day we celebrate it) and I think that we should be allowed to celebrate it, and call it CHRISTmas and I think that if others want to celebrate their beliefs they should do just that.
We should celebrate our differences rather than fighting over them - the world would be a better place.

I'm not offended if someone states otherwise - that's their business, but I think that I should be allowed to freely state what I believe.
Tolerance should be tolerated.

I think robert Spencer hosts one of the best sites about true insight into Islam and its intent. Check out his site as I have assimilated many of his opinions and Ideas
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/cair-defames-me-again.html
The bottom line is human rights leg is being used as a weapon to silence free speech. Free speech is different from hate speech. This site only exists because of free speech and in saying my comments are hate and deleting them would in fact go against the very manifesto this site operates on.
Organizations like CAIR drive me crazy because they twist the intent of human rights legislation.They claim themselves the victims when in fact it seems they are trying to attack the judeo christian principals our countries are founded on.

You know what Bones. My primary was a Baptist. I really don't think he would believe in patients rights. He did, however, call for necessary tests.

LOL oh so wise. Can we burn the burkas now please?

Well on top of causing me a fright waiting for them to explode,here in mobile it was 98F and 100% humidity, I had to wonder how they were still on their feet.

Being guys, as we are, we wondered how bad the stench under that thing was, as well as how they seemed to miss the looks of shock and anger at their appearance.

I mean this is Alabama, they don't even let you walk around like this.

Pic of the KKK
reminds me of the 80s
Went to No Carolina with a friend-
had a lovely time
We were downtown and all of a sudden my
friend said "we're outta here"
Huh?
I looked down toward the square and sure nuff
KKK marching up the street
I froze in horror!

I had read about this up in New England where
I'm from - but thought it had been outlawed
but nooooo they had their right to
"peaceful assembly"

My friend knew me pretty well - dragging me away-
because I just may have said something like
"who are you anyway???"
I instead felt sick to my stomach-

That is a bogus clan picture, could not find one on photobucket, it is a church festival of some sort, look at the sign above these people "Zona"....Zone

Muslim terrorist? Ha. I think the dude that shot up the army base snapped, plain and simple. He cleaned out his apartment and said his goodbyes, and then proceeded to commit, or at least attempt to, suicide by cop. He just wanted to take others out with him. It's no different than someone going into their workplace, firing off God knows how many rounds, and getting shot to death by the cops. It's tragic but it happens all the time.

His family says he was terrified of being shipped out after the things he saw and the patients treated at Walter Reed, as he was a psychiatrist specialising in combat stress. His family says he tried every trick in the book to get out of the Army and was now consulting with a lawyer to see what his legal avenues were to escape. We're probably not going to know what the full story is on this, if ever, but I wouldn't be too surprised if he felt trapped and desperate and used desperate means to get out.

Here's what I want to know: if they had given him a full psych workup, would he have passed, or would they have figured out this guy was a ticking time bomb and let him go? I guess we'll never know now. What he did gets him the death penalty under the Military Code of Conduct IIRC and I don't think they're going to let him linger too long in whatever Big House they send him to.

OK people, you know what to do, get busy!

To give you a leg up... so to speak.

Don't think I will be seeing any burkas, at the flea market Saturday, but if I do, I'll be singing this catchy lil tune.

"If you want to meet your sister, it could be your uncle too, burka burka blue"

Ya got to beat em just right!

Kind of rounds out my thoughts on this "style"

Oh no!!!

I'm running out of eggs and I'm short by .11!!! :

Show me the way to Blake's tent!!!

Sorry no eggs, chicken died.

Well there was a complete absence of burka, hajab wearing Muslims, matter of fact here was a complete absence of any Muslims.

That burka blue song, played in my head all day, it is just so surreal.

That was tooooo funny, Blake.

This scam was run before in the Sikh community out west.You will not find much on the net as after the story broke it is as though the web was sanitized of this story. This was a multi million dollar scandal and it barely made mainstream press.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/02/10/gst_fraud020310.html

blake2go:

"Well on top of causing me a fright waiting for them to explode,here in mobile it was 98F and 100% humidity, I had to wonder how they were still on their feet.

Being guys, as we are, we wondered how bad the stench under that thing was, as well as how they seemed to miss the looks of shock and anger at their appearance."

Blake2go claims he is not racist.

Er, Chris what race would a Muslim be?
You sir are a clownist.

I haven't figured it all out yet,but I will.

An obvious hatefilled post.

Still can't differentiate, between humor and hate. Are your shoes marked LEFT and RIGHT
A real prob when you get them confused.

Still can't believe you have not, deleted this thread, I've not seen a beat down like this one, since Rodney King.

Heh.

If you think this sort of thing is funny, you have some serious problems.

Ah Chris, you have no idea how much pleasure I take from getting under your skin.

Sadly I forgot which thread I was on, the blake2go trolling the web thread was the one I meant, as to it's deletion, now that was a beat down, even ole Rodney would have nodded at.

In fact I copied/ pasted it into my email acct. as a fond reminder of how I drove an MD over the edge, I may print it out and hand it to my next doc, as a warning.
"you don't want to PLAY with me"

It's just very sad indeed that people have to take their frustrations and anger out on innocent people.

And it's even sadder when those people are doctors.

chris, he trys to use humor to hide his hate.

Hey wait a second...Obama couldnt observe national day of prayer but gave a 5 min address for Ramadan??????
http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/08/21/obama-ignores-national-day-of-prayer-but-sends-out-5-minute-ramadan-blessing-to-muslims/

I thought he is/was muslim Bones. I also heard that the goverment knew of the troubles with the doc at Fort Hood.

You're right....it is sad when people take their frustrations out on Doctors... Especially when they're the ones trying to help people...

Thanks for pointing that out wisher, very compassionate of you.

Just goes to show,ANYONE can snap at ANYTIME ANYWHERE. There are no guarantee's in life.

AMEN. It sounds like this guy was going downhill for quite some time and the warning signs were missed.

Heads will probably roll at some level. He's a muslim fanatic, and he was in email communications with an imam with noted relations with Al'Qaeda. What more could they possibly want??

I have come to love this song, and the gals brave enough to make it.
Just surreal, They are joking about the burka, and at the same time have to wear it to keep themselves safe.

My mother wears a burqa,
my father wears it too.
I have to wear a burqa,,
the burqa it is blue.

When you wear a burqa
you don't know who is who,
if you want to meet your sister,
it can be your uncle too

You give me all your love,
you give me all your kisses and then
you touch my burqa and do not know who is it
Burqa – burqa blue

Girl band in burka

In Afghanistan girls aren't supposed to play music or sing songs. But 25-year-old Nargiz didn't care. She started the Burka Band, the first Afghan girl band ever.

By Michael Lund and Signe Daugbjerg

- Blueee, burka blue, sings the lead singer on the tv, while another woman plays the drums and a third the guitar.

The three girls make small dancesteps and swing the microphone as you would in any other girl band. But there is one big difference. The three girls all wear the Afghan burka, the blue dress that covers a woman from head to toe.

25-year-old Nargiz laughs when she shows us the video in Kabul , the capital of Afghanistan . She is one of the three girls who started the Burka Band two years ago.

- It was a lot of fun, but also very scary. Afghanistan is still a very dangerous place for modern women, and when we shot the video we had to do it very discreetely because no one could know that we were playing music, says Nargiz.

Hidden recording

Nargiz started the Burka Band when she met a German music producer in Kabul in late 2002. The producer was teaching Afghans to play modern music, and Nargiz learned to play the drums. One day she wondered why all the burkas in Kabul were blue, and together with two friends she wrote the song "Burka Blue" which is about burkas and the way you feel when you wear them. The song was recorded in Kabul with help from the German producers. The band would rehearse behind locked doors, so nobody would find out that the women were playing music. The burka also helped hide who the bandmembers really were.

- Of course it was a joke to sing in the burkas, but it was also necessary to wear them. If people in Afghanistan knew who the members of the Burka Band were, we could be attacked or killed because there are still a lot of religious fanatics here, says Nargiz, who hasn't told any of her friends that she has played in the Burka Band.

In 2003 the German record label Ata Tak released the song in Germany and the song became a hit in German clubs after it had been remixed by a german DJ. The Burka Band even performed at a big concert in Köln during a trip to Germany . Unfortunately, Nargiz couldn't join the band in Köln because she had to work, but she followed all the hype from her home in Kabul .

Too dangerous to sing

- At first I didn't believe it, when the German producer told me the song was a hit in Germany . It was fantastic, but at the same time, we also worried that somebody in Afghanistan would find out who we were because of all the attention, remembers Nargiz, who estimates that only 10 people in Afghanistan actually know who the faces behind the burkas in the band belong to.

The Burka Band has never performed in Afghanistan and at the moment the band is not active. During the Taliban regime music was totally forbidden, and women were not allowed to work. To sing in public could carry a death sentence. Today the country is still very conservative, and there is no market in Afghanistan for the Burka Band's music. The band members have to wait for a European or American record label to help them if they are to make a whole album one day.

- I'd like to play again, but right now it is not possible. Last year there was a big bomb at a concert here in Kabul , and lots of people are still against female singers because the religous leaders condemn it. It will probably take 10 years before we will have real girl bands here in Afghanistan , says Nargiz, who now works in an international organisation in Kabul .

The lead singer of the Burka Band has gone to Pakistan because she can't sing in Afghanistan , and the guitarist has a regular job.

Today the only place to see the Burka Band is on the video. On the screen the first and only Afghan girl band plays on with their headphones on the burka-covered heads and the drumsticks swinging. The lyrics go:

- My mother wears a burka, I must wear a burka too. We all wear a burka, we don't know who is who. Blueee, burka blue.

Nargiz's name has been changed to secure her anonymity.

Info box:
The land of no music

When the religious Taliban-movement was in power in Afghanistan they banned all music because they thought singing and dancing was the work of the devil. People listening to music would be beaten or put in prison. Watching television, flying kites and wearing make-up was also forbidden for more than five years and women were forced to wear a burka.

In 2001 the Taliban was ousted from power by a coalition led by the Americans and today the country is moving towards democracy. However, Afghanistan is still a very conservative country and many Afghans feel that especially women shouldn't play music.

Yep, it is also kind of sad when the doctor takes out his frustrations, by blowing away 13 people.

A doctor
A psychiatrist
A Muslim

Apparently that makes for a bad combo.

He was messed up emotionally. It has nothing to do with being a doctor. I'm sure clowns have committed heinous acts that couldn't be blamed on the profession.

just ask the children john wayne gacy entertained... oh yeah ya cant.

Well more PC at work, lets come up with a perfectly good reason, for a man with an MD and training in human psychology, for shouting Allah Akbar, and shooting people.

It was PC that allowed this freak, to do what he did, no one wanted to point out the bad Muslim and be called racist.

Oh, and Gacy liked gay men, not children, but I can appreciate your attempt.

Perfectly good reason? He was a religious fanatic with emotional problems? You don't need to be a doctor or trained in psychology to do what he did.

PC can be blamed for not investigating him further after they knew about the emails.

Hasan is awake and talking, but not to investigators, and wants a lawyer....

And back to the music!

A lawyer for what Maybe Obama save him.

John wayne gacy AKA POGO THE CLOWN... 33 victims .. ages 9-20...abducted, tortured, raped and murdered... funny clown that he was

gay man or not.. he murdered CHILDREN... so appreciate that there Blake... you gonna argue it was ok that he was a clown who committed serial murders because he liked gay men...
my my... he was a pedophile who prefered the male gender.. he was NOT a gay man.. actually he was a married man., not to say that excludes homosexual tendency...
He clowned to gain access to children.....

If I recall correctly, Blake has indeed referred to himself as a clown....especially for the children at the coffee shop he "works" at.....He's also mentioned potential for "snapping" under the wrong situation and hurting the provider that crosses him....

Coincidence? Perhaps. But yes, we should round up all the clowns as a preventative measure...

I don't believe Blake is a gay killer clown,no more than I believe Chris is a dangerous doctor. I had to read up about the Gacy fellow,he was abused as a child by an alcoholic father,and he got the lethal injection. That be a good thing,he got what he deserved for killing all the innocents,what I'm wondering is if he is in hell now,burning for eternity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

And their doctors!

Doodle, didnt say i thought Blake was a gay killer clown either.. my point was he is so condescending as to how a MD could kill yada yada... my point back.. doesnt matter the profession.. propensity for violence is not job related. its person related

and regadless whatever abuses Gacy may have endured.. no excuse for Gacy's behaviour... any more that the "abuses" blake has endured is an excuse for his behaviour.

I totally agree Special. There is no excuses for taking angers out on innocents.

Well, except for if it's considered the standard of care.

Then, it's A-OK.

I wish not anyone would abuse another.

I am a compassionate person. I feel very sorry for Dr. Vineet Arora. It is very sad when people take their frustrations out on doctors. No doubt the CPSO has seen a lot of that. Patients have no idea what a doctor goes through. As a nurse, I have seen some of the crap that doctors have to deal with, and I've seen how they have dealt with it. I didn't know that they could deal with their frustrations with deliberate negligence and abuse. They would be relieved to know that they can; it might make their jobs less stressful. Doctors can get away with a lot, well - except for any kind of sexual abuse. That is not allowed.

I've seen how Dr. Arora deals with his frustrations. It's very sad. It could be looked at a cry for help. The College considers it to be the standard of care. I see it as intentional neglect and abuse of patients. Most of them are elderly; that makes it elder abuse, but that's a step up from child abuse, isn't it?

When you have a corrupt CPSO investigator, motivated to defend the doctor, the cries of the patients are not heard, and even sadder, the cry of the doctor wouldn't be heard either. Real issues are not addressed, and therefore, no belp is given, and so he will just continue doing what he has always done, and the CMPA will continue to defend him, because that is what they are paid to do. 85% of that is funded by taxpayers - but it is not as if we are paying for him to abuse children. It's mostly the elderly, and whether or not they deserve better is irrelevant. It's not a crime.

Or you might be just collateral damage.

Isn't collateral damage "destruction or injury to civilians as the unintended or unexpected result of a military attack"? My Canadian Oxford dictionary describes it as that.

Kind of like doctors' reputations in general being harmed because the standard has to be lowered to make gross negligence and abuse the standard.

At least, that's the way I see it, and that is quite clear to me, and it really is very sad, but war is sad.

Is the definition for collateral damage different in the States?

Anyone ever play the game 6-degrees of Kevin Bacon?
I have a new idea for that game.

Here is something I received last year.
Yes, most Muslims ARE peace-loving people like you and me; but as the following shows, they are being made irrelevant by the radical Islamists.

-------------------

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to
World War Two owned a number of large industries and
estates. When asked how many German people were true
Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude
toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many
enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were
too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought
the Nazis were a bunch of fools So, the majority just
sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew
it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the
end of the world had come. My family lost everything.
I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies
destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking
heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that
the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.

Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to
make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the
specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the
name of Islam. THE FACT IS THAT THE FANATICS
RULE ISLAM AT THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY.

It is the fanatics who march.

It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting
wars worldwide.
It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter
Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill.
It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning
and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful
majority" the "silent majority" is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to
live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were
responsible for the murder of about 20 million people.
The peaceful majority were irrelevant.
China's huge population, it was peaceful as well, but
Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70
million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2
was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and
slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy
of killing that included the systematic murder of 12
million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword,
shovel and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into
butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of
Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt,
yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the
most basic and uncomplicated of points:
PEACE-LOVING MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN
MADE IRRELEVANT BY THEIR SILENCE.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they
don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany,
they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own
them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians,
Rwandans, Serbs Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians,
Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have
died because the peaceful majority did not speak up
until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay
attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics
who threaten our way of life.

Why yes I am the "undercover clown" and that role I play everywhere, as being a clown was at first something I did, It is now something I have become.

As to snapping no, snapping is the loss of control, I will always be very much in control, What will happen is I will be figuratively punched in the nose by someone, and return the blow literally. I'm a literal kind of guy.
So Harster you might watch those tongue punches.

Now I understand your need for "Digs" at me, we cool. Now to those of you who wish to cushion Hasan's act as a good guy gone bad by snapping, well perhaps it would have been folks like you, who provided him the "Digs" that pushed him.

Spit it out Harley.
What's the worst that could happen?
Harleyman 7?

Twain just said something very important.

So can everyone just stop CLOWNING AROUND.

This is really good.

Wow Twain. That gave me shivers. A very powerful piece of writing.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke

So if you read this right, the good are just as responsible for the actions of the bad as the bad ones are, perhaps more so since they out number the "bad".

Have you seen the large crowds of Muslims pouring into the street to condemn the actions of Hasan?

Not so sure.....I'm on a roll.... One in a row.

Blake, I'm not much for political correctness either, but lets be fair: His profession really didn't have anything to do with why he did what he did. His religion may have--for that matter probably did--but I doubt that his being a doctor made any difference.

And anybody who guns down anybody in cold blood has issues. Period.

Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they weren't there. Mass Media really is a horrible source of news. If the story doesn't involve A) a missing white woman/child, B) a female celebrity, C) mass murder, D) the weather, E) a politician's personal life and/or F) the President the odds of us hearing about it are NOT good.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This, from a nurse on another message board:

"I worked in a very well known hospital in Boston when 9/11 happened and we had a LOT of Muslim patients, and the majority of them were clapping and just thrilled to death,so I have the feeling that this will be another glorious act to MOST of them".
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Now I say Hasan, overcame his oath to "do no harm". his training in psychology
his oath to "protect and defend" his country, turned on his countrymen and butchered them while shouting Allah Akbar............. and now that he has received all of the medical care that I and others are denied, he now is asking for his constitutional right to a lawyer..... Yeah, he be crazy.

All that medical care, oh how I groan, just to fix him up in time for his execution.

Aww Blake, are you just jealous that he's getting great care and attention.....and all the narcotics he wants?

blake, if you served in the navy.. why dont you have tricare?

What about the DC killer who was just put to death? I don't feel sorry for him even though he claimed his innocence to the end. People lived in terror. Absolutely terror and were killed going to work or shopping or stepping out their own door. Once he was caught, the killings stopped. That does not mean there is not another copy catter out there, but come on. I don't think anyone yelled, OMG, he's black. It must be him. They had some good DNA evidence.

The Village People "navy" noon...

lmao hmmm.. was there a navy village person.. there was construction, indian for some reason, cop... lol

This is an actual copy of Mjor Hasan's business card. Notice under his name it says SoA (SWT). SoA stands for soldier of allah and the SWT stands for Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala or "Glory to Him, the Exalted."

I love all of your goofing, I'm sure the dead soldiers, are laughing too, you just have to listen real hard to hear it.

Harley, in what branch of the services, did you serve?

Blake, I take alot and I'm not really sure where you are coming from. What I don't find funny is dead soldiers or coming back to a country they defended and cannot get health care. That is not funny at all. Past or present.

Oh HM.............

Just having served in the navy (I don't think) guarantees Tricare for Life.

Damaged,
The last war we WON was the second world war, they were the last of the returning veterans
who were shown respect and gratitude.

Now days vets are tossed away like a used toy no one wants to play with anymore.
I remember the vets coming back from Vietnam, the help they desperately needed and did not receive, and what the outcome of that was and still is.

25% of the homeless are vets

These days I hear a lot of TALK and very little action, the troops will get the greatest care in the field and in Germany, then they will be shyte canned into the VA, where they might just have met ole Hasan.

I myself have sworn the only way you'd get me into a Va hospital is wearing a toe tag. Just flat out nasty.

Now factor in, that we now have ALL of our troops outside of the US, regular army, reserve, national guard, when the smoke clears there will be too many for them to properly care for, and they simply won't be.

Blake, I understand some. When my Dad, a WWII vet fell into health issues, we were granted certain privileges as long as we were under 18 or 21 if we went on to college. He was disabled. I remember going to a place where people did not have arms and legs. I guess I was lucky to be exposed to that at an early age. I didn't think twice. It was just the way it was. I remember they had a really cool playground. I would spend my time there while my parents went shopping for food.

In high school, we had some Vietnam kids. They were so cool. They were new and different They taught us a lot.

PS. I can remember like yesterday my Mom going out on the front steps banging pots and pans. It was OVER. I had no clue. I was little. I can also remember her taking me out of school to go see Nixon. Gawd. I thought she would get arrested. I was so scared. LOL.

I am so going to regret the following.. i know this.. im bigger than the ridicule im about to receive.. however,

Blake.. i agree with you. (ok im holding back the bile as i type. i admit that).. the manner of care offered and the quality of the docs working the VA system has much to be desired. I have always wondered about the insult of having a foreign doctor who does not clearly speak the language be providing the care to our Vets who have selfless served our country. and have faced some horrific dangers and fears.. to come home and be in the care of a person who reminds you of the enemy.. I wonder no more as i have heard from the mouths of Vets why they feel the same as you. However, they utelize the VA system for prescription and labs. they utelize a par civilian physician who accepts tricare for their medical care.. ..

Now there are several very qualified doctors in my area in all specialties that have given up private practice and went to work the VA hospital in my area.. their reasons are their own. but im glad to know they are there. Hopefully , more will follow suit.

if you are eligible for tricare.. take it, and find a doc where you are that is civilian and accepts and is good.

Heart, my understanding , yes active and retired, discharged members of any branch of armed service is eligible for coverage, have a yearly deductible like medicare.

Here's the thing Special. When we all went to college, it was not from the government. My Dad had to save for that.

DG.. different social priority then.. and far as i know , the family benefit still only goes to 18, unless child is in college.. and its still only for medical.. no educational benefit.

Yes, but dishonorable (as defined by the military) discharges and those discharged for having a mental defect probably are NOT able to receive Tri-Care.

I'm not complaining. I just don't know how medical/dental works to this day. It's always changing. I will say proudly, I was brought into the world in an office. HA HA HA. I came quickly and I'm still like that. The dr. who delivered me passed now, but his son took over and now is mixed up in this system. He takes care of my elderly parents. I will give them credit for saving my parents' lives and even for me as a kid with stuff. They knew their ****.

You have to have served a certain amount of time in a non-combat role, or as a frontline combatant in order to qualify for Tricare (or a spouse)

Serving a year or two as a clerk doesn't get you benefits for life. Same goes for a pension.

It doesn't appear Blakes navy-seal experience is qualification enough...

Just a lil surprised that this did not warrant a comment.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm
From this link, how many of these incidents did you hear about, remember?

To get behind/infiltrate your enemies lines, is a classic move in warfare.
To destroy moral and seed mistrust within your enemies forces, also a classic.

This enemy has no honor, but is not uneducated, they have subverted our freedoms against us, They count on our PC to protect them, and it has worked.
One of the saddest things I have had to watch over and over again, is to watch us bring a knife to a gun fight, our generals are paper tigers, our politicians corrupt idiots.

Two wars neither will be won, all who have died will have died in vain, we have squandered our youth and our treasure, for absolutely nothing, again...

I'd like nothing better than to take the place of one of these kids and send them home to Mom and Dad, I can drive a humvee around until I'm blown up. Won't need any training, won't even need a gun.
The term is cannon fodder.

Say Harley, Just what branch did you serve in, again, my memory fails me.

Where can I send that letter of recommendation?...In fact, I'll start a petition.

I was in the war myself, medical corps. I was on late duty one night when they brought in a badly wounded pilot from one of the raids. He could barely talk. He looked at me and said, "The odds were against us up there, but we went in anyway, I'm glad the Captain made the right decision." The pilot's name was George Zip

George spoke fondly of you Blake.

Dishonorable.. i dont think they are eligible.. discharge for mental defect./medical.. i have to check..

Blake.. i dont think the business card with those abbreviations are any different than the christian fish on a car or star of david..

Hasan is responsible for his actions as an individual who happens to be Islamic and took his beliefs too far..

personally i feel it was more than his religion that set him off... i feel he just didnt want to be sent to mid east, and did try to have his assignment changed to afghanistan versus iraq... its just more convient for everyone to blame his radical beliefs.

I'm not really following this horror story. Like one show said when they were interviewing the first two people who fired to take this guy down, we go on. All the people directly effected do not. Now that this guy is awake and talking, what do you think should happen to him? I think he should never be let loose again. He obvioulsy has some severe mental issues.

i consider his actions to be treason and as such. recieve the stiffest penalty..

As I suspected you've gone and let someone else, do your duty. That's ok you'd have just gotten in the way.

Noonespecial, you equate "solder of allah" with a christian fish? That's like comparing a swastika with a peace sign.

If there was still any military justice, he'd be hung, and dropped into an unmarked grave. I'd tie the rope and pull the lever.

Displays of weakness by your enemy are to be exploited, and have been and will be.
I can not name one country that has ever left it's self wide open to attack from within, with the exception of this one.

I'm just curious, how many Americans need to be, butchered, before we say enough?

Now that sir, is humor.
There's been no draft in my time, so I've not "dodged" anything. Unlike may of your generation. BTW, Do draft dodgers have reunions?....and if so, what do the talk about?

You never answered Noonspecial's question. What military service did you perform, and what combat role did you participate in....Don't go throwing stones in your glass tent Blake. I will note however, if your reluctance to comment on military service is due to PTSD..Well then that's a different story and I'll certainly respect that....just say so. I've encountered may vets with WWII and Korea experiences that they've kept bottled up and will not reveal. That's their choice. The stories some wives had told me, shake me to the core.

My duty sir, is providing funding for your medical care and other social requirements (that you chose to use). Your welcome.

All soldiers have my respect. I don't question them or their actions after the fact. They allow my children to sleep safely while they are "on the wall". For that I am ever grateful.

Time will tell. He may well still be.

blake.. it also is interpreted as servent of allah....

and i see the swastika as a symbol of ignorance, kinda like the rebel flag.

Ive seen several "peace signs" displayed during violence...

all of those symbols represent is the affiliation of belief,.. not how radical or misused those beliefs are.

Blake, your persecution of Harley is silly. Why should he be required to show proof of having served, when he wasn't the one showing a picture of a ship. You've been dancing around very legitimate questions, making you look even less credible than before.
I thought Special's comparison was fitting. How are the two like comparing a swastika (an ancient symbol) to a peace sign?
Beautiful rhetoric btw.

Oh Harster still that one trick pony...

I serviced in the US Navy, from 82-86, I was a volunteer.
I was trained as an AO aviation ordnanceman, that means I worked with those things that go BOOM. Part of my additional training, I am not at liberty to discuss.
My work took place on the flight deck of the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63

That would be this one.

I am glad you were able to sleep at night, and you are welcome.

Seriously; Thank you for your military service, Blake. You are a fine American.

Sarcastically; Do flashbacks of the Grenada campaign cause you many sleepless nights, or would yo care to tell us what your disability connection is? And does 4yrs of service qualify you for Tricare, or just a disability rating?

If you are Muslim, than this is your book on how to live, so the good Muslims must read the below, and go "it's just a miss print, a joke"?

If I were a Muslim, an Arab, a Iranian, I'd be on the next flight out.
A. Why would I wish to surround myself with infidels.
B. I would know that I was suspect, and my safety is up for grabs.

It's funny, if I were to go walk through the "hood" it would be unlikely that I would emerge unscathed. and all of my spouting of my civil rights, my constitutional guarantees, would fall on deaf ears. The cops first words to me would be "what the hell were you thinking going in there, idiot"!

So for right or wrong, as a beige fellow, I am not welcome in the "hood".
So for my safety, I stay the hell out of it. There I am seen as the enemy, no matter my benign intentions.

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Tricare is for family members that are active duty military. It is also available for retired active duty military and
retired reservists. But does not begin until the retiree begins receiving retirement benefits. The package deals
are different for active duty and reservists. My cousin and family are retired active duty military and have tricare
now. I am a retired reservist wife and will be eligible when husband begins to receive retirement checks at I believe
is 62.

Sad to say, if you served your 4 years and got out, you are eligible for the VA hospital. That is a whole other thread.

They can believe whatever they believe, if they do not cause harm.

Jesus said, "Love your neighbour as yourself, and God above all else."

Jesus said, "I am the the Way, the Truth, and the Light."

Jesus was Jewish, like harley, and although harley doesn't have to believe in Him, I hope that he will respect Him, because Jesus would love and respect harley. I hope that we all can respect the Muslims, and I hope that the Muslims can respect us.

Now, I understand that the Muslims have suicide bombings, and they do that out of love for themselves? And so, maybe they kill out of love???

It's pretty confusing. I wish that we had a Muslim on the forum, so that we could learn from him or her.

We don't go around sacrificing animals anymore; although it was done out of love and respect for God, I never understood that.

I don't understand why Jesus had to die either. But, I know that He did it because he loved us; ALL of us. He didn't exclude any religion.

Blake,
You certainly did not get this from the Baltimore Catechism manual. This is serious stuff. Makes me wonder, how full is hell?
I am a concern parent with two of my 3 sons now serving in the Marine Corps. For one son, his rotation to the "big sandbox" could
be early next year. We have already had close friends lose a Marine son in Afghanistan and another Marine son is a quad in a wheel
chair. I saw both of these young men grow up and go to somebody else's war. There are too many questions. My personal view is that
I do not see Muslims as peaceful, certainly there is a time bomb ticking.

Qwakers,
You have my heart felt wish for the safety of your children.
For all of the inter service rivalry, Jarhead/ Squid there is not a sailor who does not have the highest regard for our Marines, I would go down to the hanger bay when I was able to excise and train with them, TOUGH and FOCUSED would be an understatement.

Of all the salutes I rendered, the ones I gave to our Navy and Marine aviators, were the crispiest and most sincere.

SEMPER FIDELIS!

Blake.. did you read the original language.. or someone else's interpretation.
have you considered the WHY those in the middle east so hate us, not all, but enough.

give me a few days and i can select abbreviated passages and quotes from the bible and state the same regarding christian beliefs..

Have you read the bible. cover to cover?.. the old testament is quite the read.

mob mentality exists regardless of location..

is this problematic yesssss... however.. not EVERY person of muslim faith are radicals.

is there anything/one you dont feel venom for?.

When Mohammed was 12 he first met Jews and Christians, "People of the Book", and had nothing but admiration for them. He later saw them as easy converts to Islam because they, unlike the pagans, already believed in God. He incorporated Jewish traditions into his new teachings, but once he realized that the Jews would not accept him as their newest prophet, he eliminated Jewish influences on his beliefs. At first he said that Abraham was the father of Jews and Muslims; later he denied the Jews' connection to Abraham. He changed some of the dietary laws as well as the day of prayer from Saturday to Friday.

As a Jew, I am therefore an "unbeliever" and "shall burn forever in the fire of hell...the vilest of all creatures."

Is this the same hell I am supposed to burn in because I do not accept Christ as my saviour?

I suppose you believe that Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed as well.

i dont have a bleeding heart.. i have a logical mind, and i do not make assumption that every single person of islamic faith is evil..

your underlying biogtry, racist attitude pervails every interaction you have.. that i almost feel sorry for. keep on posting your googled photos and such. what you dont say speaks volumes.

No1, you can't spell, you don't bother to capitalize, and I strongly suspect you're taking way to many pills.

The woman that got to strangle under a crane, did not touch you at all.

I know this will really bother you, but, what you think of me, say to me, means absolutely nothing, the buzzing of a fly.

When I was in the Boy Scouts, we were told to treat all snakes as if the were poisonous. It was good, sound, safe advice. None of us were ever bitten.

I give you Jesus Christ as might very well have looked.

Feel better?

Blake.. i made a typo.. and so what i dont capitalize.. im lazy. i am familiar what jesus most probably looked like.
if what i think , say means absolutely nothing.. then why waste the energy to respond?
the woman on the crane is just as disturbing as photo's of water torture, or the photo's of American soldiers being dragged through the streets. or any other depiction .

Yeah you were a boyscout.. you were a lot of things. were you ever employeed?

Don't worry Twain, I'll be there looking for you! I'll watch for your bike.

..

From what I have read here, looks like a whole bunch of us will be in bowels of hell. I will be there because I don't accept Islam but am Christian. Maybe there are separate rooms for Christians and non-Christians? But which hell do the believers
of Islam that screwed up go? Hmmm.... Twain, you started me thinking! I have no answer for you.

Thank you, Blake. You make a Mother proud. Marines do have very high standards to live up to. So you hung out with the
old brown shoes. My Dad was a sailor in WWII and an aviator in the new Air Force during Korea.

My thanks to you for your service years for our country. I know we do not do enough for the short term veteran. The VA
hospital is not any solution. I wish you well and hope you can find a solution for your medical problems.

Semper Fi OoRAH!

It says here that you were a "Plane Director"......http://www.myspace.com/blakesballoonacy
Is that the same as AO aviation Ordnanceman?....I have no formal military training so I wouldn't know.

Yes, the Old Testament is filled with bloodshed & horror. BUT Christians live under a New Covenant which is taught by Jesus in the New Testament.
Wanda

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

I'm sure there are many peaceful Muslims. However these violent verses ARE in their holy book & apparently are fiercely adhered to by many. We can be politically correct forever but the verses are STILL THERE.
Wanda