Blake2go - trolling the Net - More disrespect for people

Blake,
This is quite disgraceful and not at all humorous. What's your explanation?

Really got your goat there Chris, busting those keys on a Blake hunt, I love it!

Funny how well I have you pegged, I was sitting here and popped back periodically , and saw you back on board..... and wondered what mischief Chris might be up to.

I did notice that you left off the other posting in the comments area.
as well as to what they were in response to.......

" Let me see he is an athlete, and a hard player, drives a muscle car and needs a parking place in front, and is going to act all pissy becuse a fellow has taken a phone call.
He could not have parked in the back next to the 80 year old lady and rolled up?
What a puss!
I steam everytime i see this psa"

"I still say this, self inflicted injury, Is not a HIGH point for him to ride, as I have said he is a jock then let him park in the back , and roll up.

there are real disabled people, who could use the handi spot more than he.
That smug, tude of his, makes me sick "

"After a soccer game October 14, 1993, Zupan got drunk with teammates and then crawled into the bed of his buddy's pickup truck to sleep. A short time later the driver left the bar and began driving home.
The truck was involved in a collision and Zupan was thrown into a canal, He went into hypothermia and became quadriplegic as a result of the accident.

Yeah, great job! Be real stupid and F yourself up and be treated like you are special"

And YES I do steam every time I see this PSA, take a looky, I have a bud who has one leg
no chair, no prosthetic leg, and calluses 1/2 thick on his palms from his crutches.

Edit.....

Each of these were written over a period of months, nice to see how you managed to do a little manipulation, and now I see you have come back, and did a fancy editing.

I have made rather a hard point, that I am the EVIL ONE here, so I should not have surprised anyone.

I had a patient, and I remember seeing him as a younger man, and seeing him active. (No, it's not the patient that I had a crush on). This man, paralyzed from the neck down, cried like a baby, and my heart went out to him. He said that he use to often park in the handicapped zones, and didn't give it a second thought. He was giving it a second thought, and it was very difficult for him.

I agree with blake. Leave the spots, unless you need them.

As for me, I'm not going to park in the spot designated for pregnant mothers and/or those with little children, and claim I didn't see it.

Kindness to each other; try it. If it's to be, it's up to me.

If the designated spot is not for your use, don't use it.

Simple, kind, respectful and considerate.

Anyone who uses a handicapped parking space when they are not handicapped just shows they consider themselves to be superior to others (my opinion).

I pity them.

I once watched someone park in a handicapped spot. Got out of his car and "strolled" across the lot to the bar lcated next to the supermarket I had just exited from.

So I:
-took a picture of the Porche SUV/license plate included...and made sure to include the handicap sign in the image.
-took another picture of the white lab he left in the driver seat. It was evening time/cool out so the dog was "safe"

and posted the pictures on Craigslist. I lives in my area, so someone must have recognized him.

I'm passive-aggressive like that

Blake? You really think this is something to joke about?

I told off a cop for parking the police car in the handicapped spot at the library. Interestingly enough, the same cop was fired a few months later for numerous violations of untold variety. That's the kind of person who parks in those spots.

Some insight to handicapped parking:

A very able person in a wheelchair still needs the spot for several reasons:
- the spots are extra wide so the wheelchair can fit beside the car and he can get in and out
- parking lots can be very dangerous for someone sitting below a vehicle's line of site (do u think a van or SUV could see him in his rearview?)

As well there is sometimes reasons for an apparently very abled person to have handicapped permits:
- heart condition maybe?.....I don't really know
- apparently some ppl with MS are very heat sensitive and can't walk very far in high temps (although I believe many of these ppl are just taking advantage of their condition)
-They dropped someone from their vehicle off and are returning to their vehicle with them. (My brother has severe cerebral palsy.......we did this many times)

As far as ppl who don't have a purpose for the spot......lazy, selfish, inconsiderate a-holes.

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Who's joking!

1. Chris went on a witch hunt......

2. This was all posted in the comments section of this vid, at youtube.

3. If you had actually read my response, you would understand I was not joking, then or now.

4. If you really look at this vid, and see what I have seen and heard in it.
you just might understand my point of view.

5. No one who does not need a handicapped space, should ever use one.

Sometimes, too, able-bodied people will be granted a handicapped permit after injuries. If you're in a back brace, ankle boot, on crutches, etc. it can be a real pain (literally) to get in and out of a car, therefore the hang tag. Also, I know some people with RA and lupus who have hang tags. On their good days, they're fine. On their bad days, their joints can hurt so much even getting around with a cane is difficult, so they use the hang tag. Heart conditions are another one that can score the tag.

Just because someone doesn't necessarily look sick doesn't mean they aren't *very* sick, but it's just under control--appearances can be very deceiving.

I don't park in handicapped spots. I don't need to. What I hate, in addition to the cases already mentioned, are those people with like six kids in their SUV and they park in the HC space because it's 'just more convenient.' Ha. They'll be paying back that karma, mark my words.

Edit: and for the record, I drive a sports coupe. A person in a wheelchair is difficult to spot if they're directly behind me unless they've got one of those little flags (most don't), despite my vehicle having a very low profile. If *I* can't spot them, someone in one of those giant trucks or SUV's doesn't have a chance. I'd much rather see those people park in the HC space for their own safety.

1. This person, Mark Zupan, is not able bodied. He is a partial quadriplegic.

2. On this youtube video, Mark Zupan was acting as a spokesperson for people driving with disabilities.

3. This person seems to be an inspiration for people with disabilities. Indeed, he has overcome significant obstacles and achieved much with his life since his injury.

4. Apparently Blake2go had multiple issues with this, with his multiple hateful posts.

I really don't see how Blake2go can defend his posts.

Chris, if you show any more of your Tuches, you may be arrested.

Now gather your firewood, pull up your stake and go home.

wishandaprayer wrote:
There has got to be a better way.

I can understand doctors' fear, and it can't be easy. Maybe Obama can have a looksee into this issue.

Doctors in Canada don't have any problem. Chris can do pretty much whatever he wants and nobody can touch him because he's protected by the CPSO, HPARB and the CMPA.

chris wrote:
What an incredibly ridiculous statement. Your credibility went right out the window with this post.

No derailing this thread. If you wish to continue on your diatribe , do it elsewhere.

blake wrote:
Got credibility?

Hey Blake - Personally, I think that you are a better man than Chris. But, LOL, you know that's not saying a helluva lot.

Hey Chris - Is this a good place for me to continue? As far as I'm concerned YOUR credibilty went out the window many many months ago.

Chirs - "trolling the Net - More disrespect for people"

Another attempt at thread derailment.

If you wish to continue on your diatribe of the CMPA, CPSO and HPARB - create your own thread.

Wow.....that's a pretty sad comment. The kid was smart enough not to drink and drive and was the victim of an accident....And you go and say something like that, then expect any form of sympathy for your supposed life in a tent......

Good job Chris, for exposing someone for what he truely is, hatefull.

"As an incomplete quadriplegic, Zupan is able to walk for short distances, but not well enough to get around without the aid of a wheelchair."

So, Chris and Harley - this gentleman could wheel his chair to his car, and put the chair in the trunk, and walk to the drivers' seat. He doesn't really need the disabled spot, but it's his right to take it, and blake does not have the right to question this?

Accidents happen, and unfortunately there is often a relationship between alcohol and accidents, and to me it is heartbreaking, and we shouldn't judge.

I hope that the message is delivered that drinking and sleeping in the back of a truck can be very harmful; who would have thought that his friend would drive the truck with him sleeping in the back of it and have an accident?

It was an accident, but hopefully other young people can learn from his misfortune, and hopefully his life has meaning and happiness.

So - we have Chris and Harley proudly "exposing" blake as being hateful.

Should we congratulate the two of them for being two of the finest doctors in North America?

Doesn't need it?
The state certifing agency awarding the disabled parking permit disagrees with you.

He certainly has the right to park there. So would an elderly lady with a walker.

"As an incomplete quadriplegic, Zupan is able to walk for short distances, but not well enough to get around without the aid of a wheelchair."

"So, Chris and Harley - this gentleman could wheel his chair to his car, and put the chair in the trunk, and walk to the drivers' seat. He doesn't really need the disabled spot, but it's his right to take it, and blake does not have the right to question this?"

Of course it's his right to take up the spot, and let the elderly lady with a walker, walk, and thank you for pointing this out to me harley.

This is an updated Florida handicapped permit application.
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BTR/83039.pdf
As for Zupan, please see Item "F"

Anyone else, including an elderly lady may apply if she meets any of the criteria, once permitted then yes she could legally park there as well.

Blake isn't questioning. Questioning involves a "?" He is making hurtful statements.

And you're one step behind defending him.

Wisher,
You're way off on this one. Handicapped permits are not so easy to get here in the US. A patient has to have both his doctor and the town he/she lives in sign off on the need for the permit. I don't know the standard in other places, but in my area, you have to be unable to walk a distance of 800 feet. There is no car around where the driver's seat is 800 feet from the trunk.

I'll be damned...........

Harley I love you too.

Not a snowballs chance in hell, any of you went and looked at the vid?

What this is about, is the pissy way Ole Zupan comes off, in the PSA.
Had he been this pissy in a beer commercial and I had seen it on youtube, you would be hearing the same tone.

My quotes are in responce to others commenting to me, I receive a copy in my email.

What kind of a fit would he have had, what would he have done if the spot had been taken by a another handicapped person?

To finish this it has very little to do with being handicapped, and more with acting like a whinny kid.

Your PC is wasted on me, he is as good as anyone else, then let him take the heat like anyone else.

Loved the way he goosed the gas in his rage when pulling in the 10feet into the space.

What's the matter blakester; Jellous of someone who was able to overcome a handicap? So now all handcappers are to be invalids scooching around on dollies begging for change like Eddie Murphy?Because that's the image you feel should be portrayed or is what qualifies as handicapped?? Think that puss on the cell phone would have moved for a little old lady? Besides, you should see the look I give someone who parks in MY SPACE....

I think a nice "I'm sorry for being a jerk this time" would be a good start towards reconcilliation. Or is that below you too?

My dear Harley, how shall I say this......... bite me, yeah that will do it.

If I had seen a homeless clown commercial, and the homeless clown came off as pissy I'd hang my head in embarrassment.

I am done with this thread and Chris's witch hunt.

Has it even occurred to any of you, why, how, did Chris come to have my quotes.

Do you think that he started this to come to the aid of Mark Zupan?
Or was he just out to bust my chops, using Zupan as the hammer.

Now I have to think of my next victim, of my on relenting war on humanity, who should it be............?

I'll be taking sugestion you may PM me.

Wow Blake. I watched the video. It's a public service announcement. It's designed to catch your attention. Zupan's attitude may have been overly exaggerated just as the cell talking idiot's actions were exaggerated...and staged...
But the whole point of it is valid. Even if Zupan was a horrible person in his every day life, the point is still the same-Don't park in handicapped spaces if you're not designated.

I've read all the comments, and I'm surprised at your attitude. I thought you cared about people.

Your posts were in response yes, but, wow...

I wouldn't have even bothered to comment on this because I don't like how it was even brought up but, I'm feeling so bewildered as to how you could even think that he somehow did something stupid to cause his accident.
And why would he have a fit if the space was taken by another handicapped person? It's just not an issue. It has no bearing on the PSA.

Sorry, I responded before I saw this.

I don't know what it takes to get one here in Canada, but I do know that just having the sticker and the right to park there doesn't always mean that you should always take that spot.

This athlete, Mark Zupan, has every right to the handicapped parking spot. People should NOT park in it unless they NEED it. That's the message and that message is fine.

It's really not my place to judge whether or not Mark Zupan needs it, and I'm sorry if you found this offensive, however, if the handicapped spots are very limited, I think an athlete should leave the spot for someone who may need it more.

Many people with spinal cord injuries are not as fragile as a little old ladies with congestive heart failure and a cane. But, then again, I would drop my mother off at the door, and not make her walk at all.

Little old ladies with canes may not know their rights as well as others. It's quite possible that she could be blind in one eye too, and she needs someone to advocate for her, in my opinion.

"- parking lots can be very dangerous for someone sitting below a vehicle's line of site (do u think a van or SUV could see him in his rearview?)"

I agree that this is a very good reason for Mark Zupan to use the handicapped spot. Besides, that little old lady, blind in one eye, may not see him, as she struggles to find a spot.

And, NO - I'm NOT suggesting that I, like the little old lady, should have a spot. I'm just feeling guilty because I parked quickly to run in to Fortinos the other day, and after parking I saw it was for a pregnant woman or a woman with small children. I should have moved, but I thought "I'm only going to be a minute". It only takes a minute for a young child to run out and get hit by a car, and I'm ashamed of myself. I would never park in a handicapped spot, and I do feel bad for parking there.

But - I think most pregnant woman don't need a special parking spot, but there may be the odd one that does, and it's not my place to judge.

Afternall, I'm not a doctor, like Chris or Harley.

I think Zupan was clearly playing cop in the vid, and his attitude was obnoxious.

That being said, people do abuse the handicapped spots, and the handicapped stickers or hang tags. Whole families have access to them because one family member has a handicap. The hang tag is in the car, but that handicapped person is only there on rare occasions. I'm not saying that everyone who has access to a handicapped hang tag does it all the time, I just know that they do it sometimes. How often, I couldn't guess.

so im understanding correctly.. an athlete involved in auto accident as a passenger ends up partially paralyzed and is not entitled to sympathy or a HC parking space because its self inflicted injury?
a person who abuses their own body for years and neglects their own health finds themself in circumstances of their own making and should have sympathy.?

hmm i guess individual responsibility is only expected of those who have a higher standing than oneself?

HC parking is abused , and as heart states, by family members of the disabled.
doesnt matter if you can walk short distance or not at all.. those spots are designated for peeps who have difficulty wether it be w/c, cane. or cardiac disease that leaves them breathless, cant see that disability though.

now the parking for expecting mothers... give me a friggin break., i find them to be ridiculous.

I've seen that type of abuse, and I know it happens, and by a person who should have known better; it was a woman who worked in Rehab. I kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to make a scene; part of me is quite shy and doesn't like to make a scene. Then - there's the other part of me.

Speaking of abuse related to parking spots, one of the complaints about the abuse by Dr. Vineet Arora had to do with parking. When I saw him, he was located in a strip mall, and there was lots of parking. He moved to a beautiful new building, and his retinal practice is there; he shares the building with a family physician practice. Maybe you can google it - it's on Upper Paradise, in Hamilton, to get a better idea of the parking situation for the patients.

I don't know if he has any spots for handicapped patients, or whether you could see that on google. He has very little parking for the amount of patients he knew he would need to see, but, that's not his problem, right? There of course, was a spot reserved for him, so that he would not have to walk, and no fear of being hit by a truck crossing the street.

A man parked in "his" spot. His mother-in-law had problems with mobility and vision, and he stopped in the spot so the little old lady could get in the building safely. I don't know if Arora was specifically involved in the altercation, however, there was quite an ugly scene. Look up the details on the CPSO website. Oh wait, no - you can't.

Years ago, I remember having difficulty finding a spot to park my car when returning from lunch break, and parking far away, and then running into work, (room reservations clerk), at McMaster University. I was very pregnant with my daughter.

I did have high blood pressure, and it probably wasn't such a good idea to be running at that time, but my appointment was 3 weeks away towards the end of my maternity, and I didn't know that running (o.k. - when I say running; it was more wobbling very fast) -could be harmful to my baby.

Maybe I should have known, but I didn't, and of course I didn't become a nurse until years later.

However, with the 2nd pregnancy, which was very healthy, I did take exercise classes, and I wasn't working at a desk job, and I remained active throughout.

My brother was paralyzed from the chest down three years ago. It was completely his fault - he was the drunk driver. He was thankfully the only one involved, and only hit another tree.

Anyway, for the last three years, my mom has been driving him around. It's hard enough to find a handicapped place available - most people who park in handicap spots are either fat and have a cardiac issue, or have vision impairment due to diabetes (in his area, anyway). He, being the kind of person he is, doesn't begrudge old ladies and/or vets the handicapped spots - they've "paid their dues", as he says. He's 25; he can push a bit farther to get to the front door. He needs the exercise, anyway, so he's not the fat old guy hogging all the HC spots. The only reason he finds it annoying is because most of the spots further out don't accomodate his chair, and mom's (an my) vehicle have gotten their fair share of extra dings from snuggling up to the parking line so he can get out and not dent the next car over's door. Other people have no such worries, of course.

As far as the 'pregnant' parking spots: All told, I had an extra 60 lbs of extra weight I was toting before I even went in the store. I certainly used them then.

I never used it when I was two months along and not showing; I also never used my brother's tag when he wasn't with me. We were never 'those kind of people', and we're not bringing our kids up like that either. Fair is fair and do unto others.

Sorry to hear about your brother; no one deserves to have to need a handicapped spot.

For anyone who would say that your brother deserved what he got; I suggest that they look back on their lives, especially their youth, and reflect on some of the silly things that they did that could have changed their life.

If your brother had been the spokesperson for the PSA, I would have thought differently in my reponse. The "athlete" perhaps taking the spot that an elderly person needed was what struck me, and the fact that Chris would be so vindictive to post this thread, did play a role in my response.

Looking at other threads, you will see that Chris believes that I have no credibility, and I believe that when doctors refuse to listen to a patients' concerns they have no credibility, and therefore, this was more about Chris than anything else, and I apologize if I have hurt the feelings of anyone with the right to park in a handicapped space.

wishandaprayer: " ,... this was more about Chris than anything else, and I apologize if I have hurt the feelings of anyone with the right to park in a handicapped space."

No doubt.

Mark Zupan has risen above his disability, and become an inspiration for disabled people.

Indeed, he doesn't dwell on the negative. When asked if he would "turn back the clock" on the day of the accident, Mr. Zupan has
stated, "No, I don't think so. My injury has led me to opportunities and experiences and friendships I would never have had before. And it has taught me about myself. In some ways, it's the best thing that ever happened to me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zupan_(athlete)

Hmmmmm ~ Now Chris, really, do you think that sounds like a Noble statement, or a phony statement, designed to garner adoration? 'No, I would rather be a quadriplegic.'

"He was also in the movie Jackass: Number Two, in a skit called "Lake Jump", where his wheelchair was rigged up with carbon dioxide tanks and pushed off a ramp by Chris Pontius. Before taking off, the tanks triggered, launching him off of the ramp and into the lake."

He was in the movie Jackass?

Hmmm....

If they do another sequel, are you going to try out for it Chris?

You are a sad example for someone who claims to be nurse. Not only are you a negative person and a poor example for people who want to get well, you are one of those mouthy nurses we all dread. How can a nurse encourage someone to smoke for any reason? Just why do you dwell and not go find something meaningful to do with your life? It is possible to make the best out of the bad. A nurse should know that. I don’t think you would know help if it kicked you in the buttock.

Ah, I just love ad hominem attacks by the uneducated. Did you fail your Dale Carnegie course?

Mouthy nurses? You seem to have done fairly well for what appears to be your first post. You may wish to speak for yourself in your injudicious use of "we".

Wisher hardly "claims" to be anything, other than as demonstrated by her nursing registration.

Before you set out to attack someone here, you might at least get some of your facts straight by at least reviewing a forum participant's previous posts. You have read the SA threads, right?

Janice Gilners has NOT risen above her disability, and she is NOT an inspiration for all of the other people who have lost the vision in one eye (or two) because of Dr. Vineet Arora.

Indeed, Janice Gilners dwells on the fact that Dr. Vineet Arora had the ability and experience to change her life, and he did.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to 1997, when she had a very minor central vision loss, Janice Gilners has stated,
"Yes". She would demand a second opinion when Dr. Vineet Arora told her that there was no relationship between the amsler grid defect and the macula of her eye.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to 1999, when her central vision loss was getting worse, Janice Gilners has stated:
"Yes". She would demand a second opinion when Dr. Vineet Arora had his associate, Dr. Ali, tell her that her eye was fine on follow up after Dr. Arora had done the angiogram.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to 2000, when her central vision loss was getting worse, Janice Gilners has stated:
"Yes". She would demand that her optometrist, Dr. Fernick, make a referral for a second opinion from a qualified retinal surgeon if there was a problem with her eye that needed to be addressed. Dr. Fernick was fully aware that Dr. Arora had repeated the angiogram for the third time in 1999, and was aware that Arora had examined her eye in 2000 at Hamilton Laser Eye Institute, and the retina was fine. If Dr. Fernick could see that the central vision loss could be related to the macula, then he would have, could have, and should have sent Janice Gilners for second opinion, as Janice had said it would be an insult to go back to Dr. Arora at that point.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to 2002, when her vision was getting worse, Janice Gilners has stated:
"Yes". She was prescibed strong, uncomfortable glasses by Dr. Fernick that she could not get used to, and she hopelessly waited for a follow-up appointment with Dr. Arora. She would have called Dr. Fernick's office, and found out that nobody had advised her of the appointment; she had missed it, and had in fact missed one in 2000 as well. She would not have suffered in silence any longer, and would have demanded a second opinion. She would not have gone back to Hamilton Laser Eye Institute, hoping and praying that maybe Dr. Arora would help her there.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to 2003, when her vision was getting worse, Janice Gilners has stated:
"Yes". The optometrist at the Hamilton Laser Eye Clinic told her that there was a problem with her eye that "might" be able to be fixed with surgery. When Dr. Arora admitted that yes there was a problem, and said that surgery was needed, she would have demanded a full explanation, and she would have been prepared with a tape recorder. Before having surgery, she would demand to see what Dr. Vespa had written: "Best corrected visual acuity in right eye of 20/200, epiretinal membrane changes, and retinal hole on the fundus", and then she would demand to see the consent form, and ensure that what Dr. Arora was operating on was what Dr. Vespa had assessed.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to July 2, 2003, when Dr. Arora was seeing her for follow-up after surgery (performed without signed consent), and rebuffing her for "making too big of a deal out of things", Janice Giners stated:
"Yes". She would have had her tape recorder on and recording Dr. Arora commanding her to read the eye chart, and her response, and his response. She would leave his office without tears, get all of her records, because the problem was more than "communication style".

When asked if she would turn back the clock to August 26, 2003, when Dr. Harvey, a macular specialist, had diagnosed a central vision problem, Janice Gilners stated:
"Yes". She would not have been timid. When Dr. Harvey didn't believe that she could have seen Dr. Zahoruk for the problem in the past, she would have personally gotten her records and tests, and asked for Dr. Harvey to review them before proceeding any further.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to March 12, 2004, when Dr. Harvey personally asked her to read the eye chart and do her best, Janice Gilners stated:
"Yes". She would not have become upset trying to read the eye chart, and trying to make herself understood. She would have brought a tape recorder for that appointment as well. She would have said "ABSOLUTELY NOT!", when Dr. Harvey suggested that eye surgery to peel the membrane could help, and that Dr. Arora could do it.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to July 13, 2004, when Dr. Devenyi seemed curious that the optometrists couldn't see a problem, Janice Gilners stated:
"Yes". She would have said "Dr. Arora couldn't see a problem" VERY LOUD AND VERY CLEAR. She would have demanded that Dr. Devenyi review all her charts and tests before proceeding.

When asked if she would turn back the clock to July 2005, when Dr. Devenyi performed eye surgery for a second time, Janice Gilners stated:
"Yes". Dr. Devenyi was not aware of the results from the 1999 angiogram and that the risks outweighed the benefits when he suggested surgery for a second time; he would have known that long-standing macular holes are notorius for poor outcomes, and that surgery could do more harm than good. Janice Gilners' vision in her right eye was left at "count fingers" level.

Since that surgery, Janice Gilners has continued to count fingers - from the medical legal system and the CPSO and HPARB. Dr. Chris Aldridge has enjoyed attacking her credibility whenever possible.

Janice Gilners' says: "My injury has denied me opportunities and experiences and has affected not only myself, but my family. It has taught me about myself. I was too trusting of Dr. Vineet Arora, our healthcare system, and our justice system."

"I will live the rest of my life counting fingers."

"Losing the vision in one eye is not the worse thing that can happen to a person, however, the abuse and neglect of patients, and the promotion of such by the medical and legal systems is."

"Hopefully my vision loss can have meaning. Hopefully others will have 20/20."